Paul Heyman on working with Roman Reigns, his previous run with Brock Lesnar

By Jason Powell, ProWrestling.net Editor (@prowrestlingnet)

DAZN interview with Paul Heyman
Interviewer: Steve Muehlhausen
Available at DAZN.com

DAZN: You look at where Smackdown’s at ever since you aligned with Roman (Reigns). Since you guys aligned together, the shows have been on another level. It’s the best show right now in all of WWE, the best show in all of wrestling. What is it about you and Roman together? You had that magic with Brock (Lesnar), with (CM) Punk. It seems like you with Roman Reigns are just right now on a completely different level.

Paul Heyman: “I had the run of a lifetime with Brock Lesnar. What we accomplished in our eight years since we returned in 2012, let alone what we accomplished in the 18 years since 2002 — and that includes writing a book together that includes Brock’s run in UFC. Many would make the valid claim what would be impossible to top: A near 600-day run as champion, multiple world titles, and the single biggest victory in the history of WWE, which was Brock Lesnar conquering The Undertaker’s undefeated streak at WrestleMania 30. To top that, to compete with that, to follow that is an impossible task. Can’t be done. But that’s the goal. That’s the vision of where we want to take Roman Reigns.

“Roman Reigns also was at a point in his career for WrestleMania main events, scheduled for five, and multiple world championship runs on top since the day he started on the main roster. What was left for Roman Reigns to accomplish except the status of the undisputed, uncontroverted GOAT. That is the driving force. That’s the ambition. That’s the vision. That’s the desire. That’s the dream. That’s the craving. That’s the lust. That’s the seduction. That’s the lore. That is the goal. Every single solitary micro-moment that you see, both the character and the man Roman Reigns unfold in front of your eyes.

“That was the only thing that could put me back in front of the camera after my run with Brock Lesnar. Because to me, if I’m not with someone driven by the ambition of accomplishing the impossible, then it was time to call it a day. But that’s Roman Reigns. Roman Reigns wants to top everything he’s done since he debuted on the main roster. Roman Reigns wants to accomplish and top everything that was done by Bruno Sammartino, Hulk Hogan, ‘Stone Cold’ Steve Austin, The Rock, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, Ric Flair. Combine them all, stack them high. Roman Reigns wants to go to a level all of them together could not, cannot achieve. That’s the goal every single solitary micro-moment you see him on camera. That’s a level of ambition that I strive for as well. It’s an honor, a privilege, and a pleasure to collaborate with such a vision.”

DAZN: You bring it up about him getting to that other level of getting to be the GOAT. Where do you feel he needs to go? What does he need to do, or how long does he need to get to that level of Bruno, Hogan, Rock, and Austin in this current run?

Paul Heyman: “I think you’re seeing it every Friday on Smackdown. If you take a look at the evolution of the persona since he returned at the end of August, and you watch how at the beginning, every word was intentional. Every movement has a purpose during his promos, in that we were starting to reveal the dynamic of who this actual human being is. Then as we got into the rivalry with Jey Uso and you started to understand he’s not just the Tribal Chief, he’s the Head of the Table and why he is The Head of the Table. The explanation of how he feeds not just his own immediate family, how he is responsible for the entire Anoai/Fatu Dynasty, how he takes care of everybody, how everyone relies on him.

“What that pressure, indeed that burden must be on a man and how the championship is a must, not just a prop. Not just something for me or him to hold. Not just the token that is demonstrative of being the main event, the top attraction in the promotion, but how it is a tool by which he can demonstrate to the world that he is the WrestleMania main event, the champion, the attraction in all of WWE and sports entertainment. Then as we got into the Kevin Owens situation, and you start to see the sheer savagery of his ambition and why that ambition plays out into the psyche and how it plays out into the psyche of the persona, the character, and the man known as Roman Reigns.

“Then you get to the WrestleMania (37) main event, and he’s against Edge, who’s a Hall of Famer, (then) Daniel Bryan, who’s a first-ballot Hall of Famer. The fact that he then not only defeats them both, but he stacks them in the most declarative, dominant pinfall in the history of WrestleMania main events. Every moment that you see Roman Reigns on television, you are witnessing a character and persona, and a human being accomplish that vision of going to a level never achieved by Sammartino, Hogan, Austin, Rock, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, John Cena, Ric Flair, etc.

“You’re witnessing it every single time. You’re not only seeing another layer evolve. You’re seeing another layer get pulled back at the very same time. The strength from which he demonstrates this greatness is at the very same time and quite compelling and riveting, a very vulnerable moment because he’s revealing another side of himself to the public. That is authentic. That is genuine. That is really himself, the human being, and it’s fascinating to watch.”


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